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    Children trying to organise a finger painting group could do a better job!!!

    Extract from today's Bangkok Post hot off the press!


    ANALYSIS / NIGHT-LIFE ZONING

    Entertaining a new social order

    The night-time entertainment provisions take effect next week, and not everybody is happy about it. The argument that earlier closing times will have a marked effect on certain social ills is still being questioned.

    APIRADEE TREERUTKUARKUL and ANUCHA CHAROENPO

    The strict imposition of entertainment zoning laws and the earlier closing time of night-time entertainment places has generated a lot of noise and heat.

    Supporters of the new provisions and their opponents have kicked up a lot of dust, often obscuring the question at the centre of this furore: ``Will the earlier closure of entertainment places solve the social ills a more liberal regime is thought to encourage.''

    Those who support the new order believe it will help to curb violent crime, underage drinking, drug use, teenage prostitution, gambling and certain other criminal acts. They say all of these threaten Thai society and have undermined social values and virtues.

    The opponents, mostly bar and club owners, condemn the policy as misguided. The social problems the government wishes to target will not be healed by the earlier closing of nightspots. A change in business hours will only lead to more extortion by police, they say. Drug use and violence against children will continue, as will underage drinking _ which is only able to flourish because of poor law enforcement and state corruption.

    The opponents think it would be better for the police to enforce existing laws and clamp down on venues which admit underage patrons or permit them to consume alcohol.

    They also challenge the idea of allowing entertainment zones if the government truly believes the night-time entertainment industry is a genuine threat to the country.

    The new provisions, which take effect on Monday, March 1, require clubs and other nightspots outside the entertainment zones to close at midnight, two hours earlier than is now the case. In the designated entertainment zones, including Bangkok's Patpong, Ratchadapisek road and Royal City Avenue, the rules become more complicated. Discos and hostess bars will be allowed to stay open until 2am, but venues featuring live music and serving alcohol will have to shut at one. Massage parlours in entertainment zones cannot open before 4pm, four hours later than the current time, while those outside the zones must wait until 6pm. In both cases, they must shut at midnight

    The provisions are the work of a committee headed by Purachai Piumsombun, the deputy prime minister who launched the government ``social order'' campaign in his former position as interior minister. It falls to the Interior Ministry to enforce the provisions, through the city police chief in Bangkok and the provincial governors elsewhere.

    The crackdown on Thailand's freewheeling night scene, with bars and clubs in Bangkok able to operate till dawn, began in August 2001 under Mr Purachai. The initiative won the strong approval of most members of the public over the howls of protest from venue owners.

    Nophadol In-na, deputy secretary-general for political affairs to the prime minister and an assistant to Mr Purachai on the drafting of the provisions, said the provisions were just one step following the social order campaign. He said the earlier closing times were in response to public demand. The zoning will become a blueprint for tracking social problems and handling them systematically.

    ``We have allowed this sort of business to exploit social benefits for too long,'' he said. ``It's now time to put them in order for the sake of a better society.''

    The old regulations did not specify entertainment places by type. Police had difficulty determining which places should close at what time. Now they will have clear-cut directives.

    Mr Nophadol said the new provisions over time would end the corruption among a small number of police.

    They also would help the authorities deal with human and drug trafficking, and underage drinking and prostitution at entertainment places, although the provisions alone might not end these problems altogether.

    Mr Nophadol denied the changes would hurt the employees of entertainment places, tourism or other service industries, as claimed by most operators. In fact, he thought employees would be happy to work shorter hours.

    ``These businessmen should care more about society than just themselves,'' he said.

    Wallop Tangkananurak, chairman of the senate committee on child welfare, women and the elderly, said he supported the new rules as they would help to cure the social ills over time. But he also thought the government should inaugurate a concrete welfare plan in advance to help any employees affected by the changes.

    The operators of entertainment places outside the designated zones are the most incensed by the new provisions.

    They claim the changes will cause more harm than good. They say the government is taking the wrong tack in dealing with social problems and crime; entertainment venues are not the source of these ills.

    Somyot Suthangkul, chairman of the Nationwide Entertainment Operator Association, said he disagreed totally with the new rules because they would affect people's lifestyles and the earnings of entertainment venue owners and staff.

    Mr Somyot said forcing nightspots to close at midnight would cost staff the ``big tips'' from nightclub patrons on top of what they earn. Owners would suffer lower food and drink sales.

    He said many places would have to close down, and he thought the very idea this campaign would reduce crime was wrong-headed.

    ``Instead, many of those laid off, mostly the uneducated and poor, will turn to earning money through the drug trade or theft,'' he said. Most entertainment workers are their family's breadwinner.

    Wichien Promthungkor, chairman of the Royal City Avenue (RCA) Entertainment Operator Group, said even though bars and clubs in his area were not affected by the new provisions, he opposed the initiative and thought the government was making a mistake.

    Zoning may have been appropriate 20 years ago, when there were few entertainment places and these would have been easy to control, ``but now such a policy will cause many problems for entertainment operators and their employees'', he said.

    Mr Wichien said the government claimed the provisions were necessary to reduce crime among the young and to deal with social problems, especially those affecting the family, but such ills are not generated by night-time entertainment alone. Crime can take place in temples and schools as well.

    Chuwit Kamolvisit, a high profile massage parlour operator, accuses the government of launching its social order campaign as a cynical vote winner.

    Mr Chuwit believes massage parlours can promote improved relations between husbands and wives as many women were aware their husbands sought the help of masseuses, rather than taking a permanent mistress.

    From a reasonably objective position, the government and its supporters really have yet to prove the nightspot-social ills correlation. But however spurious the argument, come Monday night the lights will be coming up much earlier in most night-time entertainment places right around the country.

    Time please, ladies and gentlemen.

  • #2
    That's what happens when the village idiot gets put in charge! Like previous governments before them and in other countries they think that hiding a problem is the same as solving one!

    By driving away the tourists that come with their families and spend lots of money you are in effect leaving only the sexpats. People who come here for nooky don't care when the bars close. How many people pick a girl and then stay with her drinking beer till two in the morning? Duh!

    If you want to solve the problems of Thai (misspent) youth then why attack Tourist Zones? You won't find any Thai teens there...

    Thais are a nation of children from the very top down. Still, they do have some nice brown fucking machines!



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    • #3
      as always, an informative and timely thread from the Cynic

      so, this basically means that when I return next week i can't stay out past midnight, because i can't stand RCA or Patpong or Ratchada? Stogie....where is that gas station again?

      JON

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      • #4
        " We have allowed this sort of business to exploit social benefits for too long,'' he said. It's now time to put them in order for the sake of a better society.''

        Did you know that this Mr. Nophadol is actually a surgeon with a clinic specialized in SRS?! Told by one of these valuable CIA resources!

        MK
        "....Joe, call the Thuds!!! I love the smell of Napalm in the morning!"
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEdXtf-GHvU

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        • #5
          Leave the bar at midnight? Just wait and see.

          The government's plan to impose midnight-closing on nightspots outside designated zones from Monday might be postponed or even aborted because of a new draft regulation that maintains the current closing time.

          The Interior Ministry yesterday sent the draft ministerial regulation for Cabinet review, possibly next week, said Vichien Chavalit, chief of the Department of Provincial Administration's Investigative and Legal Affairs Bureau.

          The draft, which was written under a Cabinet resolution on February 10, sticks to the present closing time stipulated in the latest version of the Entertainment Act, which came into effect on January 13, Vichien said.

          This requires that all entertainment venues licensed before January 13 close at 1am, nightclubs and bars must close at 2am, and lounges, tea houses and massage parlours at midnight.

          He said that only entertainment venues licensed after January 13 and outside the designated zones would be subject to the midnight-closing time.

          There are only three designated entertainment zones in Bangkok - Patpong, New Petchburi, and Ratchadaphisek.

          Vichien denied that the draft was a policy reversal for the Ministry. It had pushed for early closing of nightspots as part of its social-order campaign, but the move has come under intense criticism from the night-entertainment industry and disgruntled club-goers.

          The guideline for keeping the status quo on closing times came from Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra.

          "The draft follows the Prime Minister's views," Vichien said.

          Thaksin said on his weekly radio address on Valentine's Day that the midnight-closing time would not be imposed on businesses that were open before the new rule took effect.

          The recent changes in opening hours and zoning policies has left the night-entertainment industry in limbo, with business owners unsure what the new rules would be and what effect they would have.

          Several high-ranking metropolitan police officers and owners of major entertainment venues yesterday declined to comment on the issue, saying that they needed to see the final decision from the Cabinet first.

          A source in the Metropolitan Police Bureau said that the police would make sure that nightlife businesses strictly comply with the closing time stipulated in the new ministerial regulation

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          • #6
            Originally posted by
            Stogie....where is that gas station again?
            Since the new rulings that gas station has become membership only and you can't buy gas there anymore! Weird, eh?

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