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  • Transgenders win discrimination case in NYC

    Transgenders win discrimination tiff with American Eagle Outfitters, AG Andrew Cuomo forces changes
    BY Erica Pearson
    DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

    Wednesday, May 12th 2010, 9:04 AM

    It just got a little easier for a transgender person to work at American Eagle Outfitters - at least on paper.

    Attorney General Andrew Cuomo has forced the flannel and khaki outpost to make some changes, including nixing a rule about employee "personal appearance" that banned men from wearing women's clothing and ladies from dressing as guys.

    "This shows me that there's faith and hope. There might be a domino effect, that's what I'm hoping for," said Joi-elle White, 35, a transgender member of Make the Road New York.

    The community group complained to Cuomo's office about what it called a pattern of discrimination against transgender job hunters. A probe confirmed the complaints, officials said.

    The retailer - which employs more than 2,000 people in its 61 New York stores - signed a settlement deal promising to change its policies and employee handbook.

    "To avoid further expense and the distraction of a prolonged argument, [we have] agreed to a compromise settlement in this case, with the understanding that AEO is not admitting to the findings," a company spokeswoman said.

    "We wholeheartedly believe that transgender individuals should be treated equally," she added in a statement.

    The chain store also has agreed to train its staff on transgender issues - like which pronouns to use when referring to workers and customers.

    The April settlement is the first crackdown against a retailer under the section of the state's Human Rights Law that bars employers from discriminating against applicants because of their gender identity.

    "If more places would follow behind American Eagle's experience, a lot of us would be able to work more. and there would be less of us on the street or on the Internet risking our life just to survive," White said.

    [email protected]


    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/money....jVQL8XX
    American Eagle Outfitters store in Times Square. American Outfitters has agreed to re-write their policies to accomodate transgender employees.
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    newsflash12
    7:33 AM
    May 12, 2010

    If other clothing stores offered transgender people jobs, it would get them off of the streets and the internet risking their lives? Is this person suggesting that if you can't work in retail you have to turn tricks? There are millions of ways to start a business on the internet (without even needing a business loan), and fast food places can't pay that much less than retail. This article is all well and good for NYC, but good luck to them if they want to represent a corporation like that 20 miles outside of the city where people would be more likely to boycott AE over a transgender sales associate then they would Arizona over its immigration laws. The business model behing retail sales is that the employees are supposed to represent what the kids WANT to look like - not what the sales associates want to look like. Hence you are required to wear AE clothes if you work there, even if your individual style is completely different.

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    earlofwarren
    7:51 AM
    May 12, 2010

    I will sleep better tonight knowing that AEO has made these changes.

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    MisterHate
    8:19 AM
    May 12, 2010

    I can think of many pronouns I will now use to describe this ruling.

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    BronxGirl916
    8:28 AM
    May 12, 2010

    AE should be able to hire whomever they want, they should not be mandated to make changes. It's their company - let them run their company as they see fit. Out of all the things going on in the world, this is the one issue they want to concentrate on? Ridiculous!

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    Rifle
    8:38 AM
    May 12, 2010

    I guess AEO has to now sell turtlenecks and scarfs to hide the adam's apples of their deep voiced employees.

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    miked42b
    9:02 AM
    May 12, 2010

    Another rung missing in the ladder so we keep falling back into the abyss...........Let's accomodate all who do not know who they are! How does the bathroom break thing work again.....today I might be a man or am I the woman today...........this country is heading for the skids real quickly!

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    James Meager
    9:08 AM
    May 12, 2010

    Easy... AEO re-defines "employees" as "character actors portraying actual employees", then their clothing becomes a "costume" and AEO can dress them however they dang well please.

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    Pete from LI
    9:21 AM
    May 12, 2010

    This is proof positive that the left truly wants to ram their perverted, disgusting and abnormal lifestyles down every Americans throat.Honestly, who would take their kids to a store that has confused men walking around in womens clothing ?

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    HEATHERG208
    9:26 AM
    May 12, 2010

    Pete from LI - your ignorance amazes me. If you read the entire article you would gather that transgender people work in all types of jobs including at American Eagle. Since they are a major corporation they have to follow guidelines and cannot force people to dress a certain way and openly discriminate. Similar to the Gap, Old Navy, Express, Etc. If you can't handle seeing transgender people don't leave your house and certainly stay out of the subway they may bite.

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    DMZMAN
    9:42 AM
    May 12, 2010

    American Eagle Outfitters can include "NOW FEATURING CHICKS WITH D1CKS !" in their advertising.

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    SayWhat
    9:46 AM
    May 12, 2010

    But you know what they still can't fix: Age discrimination - all over the place and right out there yet always under the target radar.

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    Samuel Lee
    9:52 AM
    May 12, 2010

    So.. the courts can rule that NOWHERE and NOONE should mention GOD, accept and enforce Traditional Man and Wife Value Systems in School and Work; but, THE COURT says it's ok to push GAYS, CROSS-DRESSING, OTHER'S RELIGIONS THAT DO NOT REFERENCE GOD, DRUGS, SAME SEX MARRIAGES... We are on the fast-track to judgement day folks.. THis madness cannot go on.. GOD will not allow it...

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    Toy
    10:04 AM
    May 12, 2010

    This is great news for Ann Coulter... Members of the conservative Right seem to react strongly to such things while at the same time being the most repressed and perverted people out there (barring clergy)...However, the REAL perversion is expecting others to quietly fall prey to their delusions of certitude where the rights of others are concerned... The playing field of life should be as even as possible, and the Right should be ignored whenever possible... It makes for a happier world for everybody.

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    Common Sense
    10:10 AM
    May 12, 2010

    If I were AEO I would require unisex unitard uniforms. At work, on the job, the names of all employees would be changed to Pat, Chris, Dana, Drew, Leslie and any other gender neutral name... What you wear and what you're called out of work is your own business

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    Toy
    10:10 AM
    May 12, 2010

    Samuel Lee- God won't allow it?... Did you get that directly from god, or are you ASSUMING this based on your religious preferences?... So.... You think your religion should be imposed on everyone...Question: How is that any different than the Taliban's position?.. Please explain.

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    WONTLOWERMYSTAN...
    10:12 AM
    May 12, 2010

    HOW WILL THIS COMPANY DEAL WITH A MAN THAT SOMETIMES LIKES TO PUT ON A WIG AND SKIRT AND HANG OUT IN THE LADIES ROOM OR LADIES DRESSING ROOM?...IS HE A SEX OFFENDER LOOKING TO GET A VICTIM?..OR JUST A MENTAL CASE TRANSGENDER?...THIS IS LIBERALISM GONE CRAZY....A COLLEGE UP IN VERMONT GOT RID OF MENS AND LADIES BATHROOMS BECAUSE THEY DIDNT WANT TRANSGENDERS TO FEEL LEFT OUT...MADNESS..

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    Pete from LI
    10:14 AM
    May 12, 2010

    So Heather, you are saying a private corporation is prohibited from having a dress code ? Do you normally smoke weed at 9 am ? What if the transgender men decide to show up in a bikini top,thong and sandals, does the Corporation get to send them home, or do they have to sit helplessly and watch as thousands of customers leave their establishment in disgust ? You are truly astounding heather, you have been blinded by Political correctness,and are sadly unable to see that an employer has the right to mandate a dress code for the employees. It's sad that you believe a transgenders right to offend people, is more important than the rights of thousands of people to not be exposed to deliberately offensive behavior.

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    Common Sense
    10:18 AM
    May 12, 2010

    Samuel Lee> "So.. the courts can rule that NOWHERE and NOONE should mention GOD, accept and enforce Traditional Man and Wife Value Systems in School and Work;" AHHH WRONG! What the courts have said is that "Government" cannot adopt or support anyone religion. I have indeed hear every American President I have lived under take the Oath of Office which ends with "So help me God." Sooo whatcha driveling about?

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    mbdono
    10:19 AM
    May 12, 2010

    Will there be HIS, Hers and TRANSGENDER bathrooms in the store? I would pay money to see who went into the T/G room! This company is being held up as surely as if Cuomo had a bandana on his face! Accommodation is one thing, what the A/G is proposing is EXTORTION ! pure and simple! He threatened the company with a long discrimination fight that would cost the store chain millions! That my friends is DISCRIMINATION! How many "T/G " are we talking about here , 100, 10,1 ? Just how many "Adam's apples " want a job where they can only wear the flannel and khaki set? I for one will be aware that the salesman measuring my inseam is not there for his sexual gratification! UGH! NOTE: I just did a spell check and the dictionary didn't recognize TRANSGENDER ! Mr, Cuomo, please concern yourself with the fiasco in Albany and leave business alone to figure out what their customers want!


    filanka
    10:22 AM
    May 12, 2010
    It does not say what restroom they will use. Anyone know?

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    Shribes6981
    10:24 AM
    May 12, 2010
    So I guess in America today it doesn't matter if you are uncomfortable with anything. If you bring in a law suit then one can be FORCED to deal with it. Whatever. If I wanted to see how an outfit would look on a CWD then I know where to go.

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    Toy
    10:24 AM
    May 12, 2010
    Pete from LI-... Deliberately offensive behavior... I seem to have come across that expression a lot lately... Are you folks on the right all reading the same mandatory "group think" handbook?... Since you folks are offended by just about everything that isn't prejudiced, repressive, biased, or against the U.S. Constitution, perhaps you are living in the wrong country?.... Just a thought.

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    Phocus
    10:24 AM
    May 12, 2010
    Why do you New Yorkers put up with Cuoma? And as for 'Pete from LI'...you are right on. If you others don't think men in women's clothing is freaky, then you too have a problem. It's not acceptable, period. Has anyone checked out Cuomo's dress on the weekend? Something about that dude gives me the creeps.

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    ironjustice
    10:25 AM
    May 12, 2010
    The schools are next. They removed the laws which made this type of behavior 'abnormal' . This law is now being changed to include 'getting a thrill out of being against porn' as a mental illness. So if you DARE to say that you believe porn is a problem you have very good chance of going to jail. A short forty years ago these transgendered medically unfit people would either be in jail or in an institution IF they displayed this abnormal behavior in public. These people have a medical condition which is accompanied by in most cases by severe psychological damage. The laws are going to be even worse now that they are going to have a JUDGE on the Supreme Court who is 'closeted' . "Why Are People Pretending That Elena Kagen Is Not A Lesbian?" "President Obama named Solicitor General Elena Kagan as his nominee to replace retiring Justice John Paul Stevens on the Supreme Court."

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    matism
    10:25 AM
    May 12, 2010
    The GD pigs enable this swill.

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    enough01
    10:27 AM
    May 12, 2010
    ToY: sir or it,please come and pick up your dumb axx award,freaks like yourself are selfcentered,the only person that you think deserves anything is you and your freak friends who can't figure out what you want to be a women or a man,is that why you hate conservatives so much because they have an identity.

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    Hollie404
    10:28 AM
    May 12, 2010
    When do we get rules about crackpots dressing up as public officials?

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    misirlou
    10:30 AM
    May 12, 2010
    Ok, so we should be seeing Chaz on a billboard soon!

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    Phocus
    10:34 AM
    May 12, 2010
    Political correctness is defined as "Trying to pick up a tu*d by the clean end". Seems to fit here.

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    Common Sense
    10:35 AM
    May 12, 2010
    Toy> you are so incredibly clueless, but not the first person who somehow thinks I am Right wing... but that's what happens when you jump into the middle of a discussion without going back and reading the entire thread from the beginning.

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    Toy
    10:37 AM
    May 12, 2010
    enough01... Way to respond intelligently, dude. (Not that I expected anything more than a knuckle dragging response.)... Really, if you folks are so unhappy with life in the U.S, why stay?.. You can find another place, name it Moron land, and populate it with your inbred spawn to your hearts content...Chuck Norris can be your president, and everything. (chuckle)

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    kamandi
    10:38 AM
    May 12, 2010
    Just to clarify this issue to some of you being transgendered is about an individual's personal sexual identity and not about their sexual preference. A transgendered person is not "A man dressed as a woman" nor does it mean that they are gay. In laymen's terms, its as if a man was born with a woman's brain (or vice versa). So Pete from LI, MBDono and the rest of you, instead this is not about PC behavior gone mad, or some gay man trying to cop a feel this is about compassion and respect for a fellow human being.

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    kamandi
    10:41 AM
    May 12, 2010
    Phocus we put up with Cuomo because he is showing himself to be a progressive. Thankfully there are more people like that in the world then bigots like you. I'm sure if you were around at the time you would have complained about progressives wanting to giving women and blacks the right to vote, right?

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    Phocus
    10:45 AM
    May 12, 2010
    Toy...dude...stop, you are embarrassing yourself. Perhaps you should leave and form your own country. Call it the United States of Oh Golly, I Don't Know...!

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    filanka
    10:46 AM
    May 12, 2010
    Toy -- You folks on the left have the same group think also. You are the Thought Police. What's next on your list - rights for pedophiles?

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    Toy
    10:47 AM
    May 12, 2010
    Common Sense-.. I don't believe I've referred to you in ANY post on this thread today( or anywhere else for that matter).. As for you being a Right Winger?.. who cares?... It's NOT all about you... Now, can we go back to generalizing on the subject at hand? I've no interest in exploring what you are or aren't.

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    Phocus
    10:50 AM
    May 12, 2010
    Kamandi, everyone should be able to vote...well, let me have a minute on the women...OK sure, let them vote too.

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    jwbpersaud@yaho...
    10:57 AM
    May 12, 2010
    Very satifiying, At least Cumo is not a racist, unlike Patterson who looks out for people of his of his own race who cannot spell or write English and originating from his Caribbean Nation Black racism is becoming a gaining ground and America is headed towards a Black State, where drugs, rape and murder is a daily norm!

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    HEATHERG208
    10:59 AM
    May 12, 2010
    Pete from LI - where in my comment did you gather that a private company is not allowed to have a dress code? Almost all companies have a dress code that should be held at a "reasonable" level. If a transgender man came to work in a bikini undoubtably would be asked to go home and come back in reasonable attire as would any woman who chose to dress that way. The key word is reasonable, but the examples you come up with would never happen, have never happened and is by far a stretch of the imagination. People who are given any position at any company are judged based upon qualifications, not age, race, appearance, sexual preference, etc. If their appearance bothers you then trying looking 1/2 inch deeper into what people really are about not just their physicality.

    Toy
    11:02 AM
    May 12, 2010

    filanka-.. I agree.. we ARE guilty of group think to a certain degree. ( It would be dishonest to claim otherwise).. The difference, however is based on our interpretation of the Constitution, and where we want this country to go in the future... There are those who see conservatism's approach as somewhat backwards and less then inclusive when viewed from the left.. Just as there are those who see Liberalism as dangerous and immoral when viewed from the right... That's a fair assessment, don't you think?...Whoever wins the White house get to put forth THEIR agenda, and sign into existence laws, as well as pursue legislation that THEY see as needful.. When a Right leaning president again finds his or her way into office, the shoe will be on the other foot... The pendulum is always in motion.

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    RAW41
    11:07 AM
    May 12, 2010

    For all you idiots that like putting labels on everything this is not a right or left issue so please stop with your garbage. And those who are complaining are probably the ones who do nothing in society but take and don't give anything...you hear me Pete from LI, i still think your Peter King...anyway everybody has an obligation to society, meaning when you walk out your house you should conform like everyone else. this is why i have a problem with these gay and transgender right activists. you don't want equal rights you want special rights. you want to act, dress, socialize according to your own rules instead of going by the rules all of society goes by. and a business should hire and enact a dress code or whatever according to whatever they seem fit and if no one likes it go somewhere else. stop forcing your abnormal behavior on people who are not interested in what you do in your bedroom, please!!!

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    rlstout
    11:16 AM
    May 12, 2010

    Giving someone the right to vote can not be compared to this issue. Race and sex are not choices. Dressing like a freak is. Any employer should have the right to hire people that enhance his business, and not be forced to hire people that will cause a distraction by their presence. Anyone who feels so strongly about trans gender rights should start their own business and hire only transgenders. See how long you stay in business.

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    tom richards
    11:17 AM
    May 12, 2010

    what the hell is a `transgender'? is cumo referring to a `transsexual'? btw, i thought businesses have been free to hire `regular' people and could avoid hiring freaks!

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    Shawakaknocka
    11:22 AM
    May 12, 2010

    This is the best news I've gotten all day! All people deserve to work; it really is just that simple. Now, I'll read the comments here, which undoubtedly will be filled with rants akin to those found in a sandbox. Holla!

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    filanka
    11:28 AM
    May 12, 2010

    Toy -- I agree 100% with your comments to me. We feel differently and passionately on issues but must respectfully agree to disagree. For me personally, I have seen our society change drastically since the 1950's with social issues and technology. It's diffcult at times to deal with it.

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    FromShortBeach
    11:31 AM
    May 12, 2010

    ***** AE. And Filanka: please, spare us.

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    Jack B
    11:35 AM
    May 12, 2010

    I will not shop at American Eagle. Or will Cuomo make it mandatory that I do? That day is coming.

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    Shawakaknocka
    11:39 AM
    May 12, 2010

    Seems like there's always a dude on TV (or Daily News Threads), doesn't it? You know, the anti-gay activist who is secretly involved in an apparent pro-gay activity? Last week, it was discovered the Family Research Council's George Rekers recently hired a gay male escort to carry his luggage around Europe. The escort says Rekers wanted him to give him erotic massages. (Rekers denies he is gay). But Rekers' story is very similar to that of pastor Ted Haggard, whose story was like Sen. Mark Foley's, whose story was like Gov. Jim McGreevy's, whose story was like ... well, you get the picture. It's as if being anti-gay is the new coming out.

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    Toy
    11:40 AM
    May 12, 2010

    filanka-... Yes, it IS difficult at times to deal with change.. but that is the nature of life... Nothing EVER stays the same.. A womens right to choose her own reproductive future is really a new, yet hotly contentious issue... Some on the right feel strongly about folks NOT having a choice, ye by law, that choice exists... Slavery being abolished wasn't the end of the issue.. it was followed by "jim Crow" laws.. which, while many have been repealed, the sentiment behind their creation is STILL very much in evidence... Now we get to the point of gender issues.. Freedom, after all is meant for all...Not a terribly complicated concept.. now is it?

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    ray123
    11:40 AM
    May 12, 2010

    Gross. Should I file a lawsuit against the NBA because I can't play pro basketball?

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    indievoter999
    11:41 AM
    May 12, 2010

    So now businesses can no longer set their own dress codes and everywhere we turn, the minority rules. We are doomed as a country.

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    BronxBoy7117
    11:44 AM
    May 12, 2010

    I support this only if the guy wearing the dress shaves his face, legs and underarms...

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    fasteddy14
    11:53 AM
    May 12, 2010

    Easy to fix. Create a dress-code. Khakis and polo shirts for everyone.

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    ndceltic67
    12:05 PM
    May 12, 2010

    Another example of government interfering with commerce when a private company no longer has the right to determine a dress code for employees. Personally I hope there's an exodus of retail stores from NYC.

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    filanka
    12:06 PM
    May 12, 2010

    Shortbeach - spare you from what?

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    Flowmaster
    12:08 PM
    May 12, 2010

    Do the world a big favor and drop dead. Frozen vegetables!

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    filanka
    12:11 PM
    May 12, 2010

    Toy - No, it's not that simple. Gender issues are one thing; working in a store and dressing as the opposite sex is another. I asked earlier, "What restroom will they use?" I'm leaving this site now. Have a good day.

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    swingvoter10
    12:17 PM
    May 12, 2010

    This is so nuts. So an a business owner, I would have to be ok for a man in a dress working the front of the store? F-ing crazy! I dont care what people want to do. I dont even care of two guys want to get married...but this now invades MY way of life and MY business.

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    NY_TO_PA
    12:17 PM
    May 12, 2010

    The only constant in the universe is change .... .Heraclitus of Ephesus

    yeaman
    12:22 PM
    May 12, 2010

    All hail mario . . . Goodness, that is the stupidest thing I have heard of all week. Personally, it is hard to imagine that freak-of-nature is some kind of protected classification in the once great state of new york. Considering the situation the local budget and state in general finds itself . . . hard to imagine there is nothing more productive available for the government workers to occupy themselves with.

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    Jake Gibbs
    12:23 PM
    May 12, 2010

    DMZMAN WROTE: "American Eagle Outfitters can include "NOW FEATURING CHICKS WITH D1CKS !" in their advertising.". You're a "sick" puppy! LOL That was good. :-)

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    zbacku
    12:27 PM
    May 12, 2010

    Looks like I will be shopping elsewhere.

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    zbacku
    12:30 PM
    May 12, 2010

    When I stated that I would be shopping elsewhere, I did not think about the fact that the government might TRY to make me shop at places like American Eagle Outfitters. Well, just let them try.

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    Toy
    12:37 PM
    May 12, 2010

    filanka-... You have a good day as well...BTW, the bathroom issue is not an issue at all... It's really rather simple.. IF a person is POST-OP they go the bathroom suitable for their biological characteristics.. (Male to female transexual that has had the operation).. since they are LEGALLY female... The same applies to folks such as Chazz Bono.. HE would go the MENS room since he is LEGALLY male..... PRE-op transgenders go to the rest room appropriate to THEIR status... You see that as a problem?.. It isn't.. The law is the law.

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      Poll Results from Daily News (at the time of this post)

      Do you think employers should be able to ban men from dressing like ladies (and vice versa) at work?

      No way! That is discrimination 7%
      Yes, I think you should be able to ban it 84%
      Depends on the type of business 9%

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      • #4
        Well, I agree that employers should be able to turn down applications from persons which are visibly or audibly transgender for jobs in which they would have contact with customers (no problem for admin or warehouse jobs).

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        • #5
          In the fashion industry more than most others the 'image' is what sells the product.

          I believe that this business should be able to decide for themselves who 'fits' their corporate plan and who doesn't.

          This isn't an advancement for the transgendered movement - just another step back for private enterprise.
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          • #6
            We are on the fast-track to judgement day folks.. THis madness cannot go on.. GOD will not allow it...
                             
            For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.
            —2 Corinthians 5:10

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            • #7
              They're clothes are probaly sh1t anyways. Go elsewhere if your in desperate need of fashion...
              Not up the ass thank you very much...

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              • #8
                If you own a business, you should be able to hire & fire for any damn reason you choose, not subject to review. If JQ Public or JQ Guv wants to become my business partner and "help" me make personnel decisions, they'd better be forking over fistfuls of green stuff.[U]
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