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**Masahiko** · 03-12-2005, 10:28 AM

Someone once told me that men do stupid things when it comes to women or ladyboys in our case. How many times have you heard these girls talk about how generous "farangs" can be and how they mess it up for the rest of us that just want to keep the prices reasonable without being a cheap charlie.

I know Jon (Jai Dee now) once wrote that 1500 is the max he would ever pay and I have always lived by that guidance.

I have lots of friends in Thailand, both girls and ladyboys but one thing is to have a fuckbuddy, its a whole other thing to support or marry any of them. I have actually seen people pay a girls bar for 2 weeks and wind up marrying her at the end of it. I laugh, but I am happy for the girl as she accomplished her goal.

Now with that said there are some wonderful loyal women in Thailand that take great care of their men. But buyer bewear

**PigDogg** · 03-12-2005, 01:42 PM

I believe Jon's philosophy is to be fair with the girls; never heard him mention a salary cap.

**Masahiko** · 03-12-2005, 03:27 PM

I know he wrote 1500 one time, a long time ago. Back in the old yellow forum. His guidlines might have changed but I use the 1500 salary cap and it has always worked for me. None the less, if a girl is really good that does not mean there can't be a tip. But I have heard from the girls that there are guys that throw down 3000 plus for a short time or even all night, and that can ruin it for the rest of us.

Now if you want to throw down that much it is up to you, but I choose not to.

I think all the girls are wonderful, but I want to keep things in perspective.

**PigDogg** · 03-12-2005, 04:08 PM

Agreed Mash, I want to keep a lid on expenses too so I pay standard rates which vary a bit from place to place. If I find a girl I like perhaps I'll give her a bonus or some small gifts.

There is a wide gulf between what a longtime is worth to a girl (who does not have another prospective cusgtomer that night) and what we would pay (if there were no other girls we could shag in the near future). To us, a simultaneously hot yet loving longtime with a beautiful ladyboy might be worth 6,000 baht. On the other hand 500 baht might be a significant portion of a girls rent and she'd be better off with 500 than nothing for that night. We're not going to pay 6000 baht because we know we can get much cheaper. Someplace near the intersection of supply and demand is the going rate.

I don't throw my baht around but I'm not a cheap charlie either. I try to be fair and try to treat the girls with kindness and respect.

**Torurot** · 03-12-2005, 11:47 PM

>>Anyway food for thought guys...

For every Farang that gets "stung" for thinking with the little head, how many girls get screwed with the "I luv you too mutt" line from the punters. It's a two way street that requires MUCH thought and preparation, probably much more than a "normal" relationship because this one has all the Pay for Play baggage..

**Guest** · 03-13-2005, 12:24 AM

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But I have heard from the girls that there are guys that throw down 3000 plus for a short time or even all night, and that can ruin it for the rest of us.

I don't think this ruins it for the rest of us because as PigDogg mentioned it is a case of supply and demand. Also I guess many of think in our local currencies like 2000 bath = $65 AUD or $52 USD etc when the girls really could care less about your exchange rate because they live on baht. Do what you think is fair, if I girl or ladyboy will go with you then as far as I am concerned she is reasonably happy with your offer otherwise she would have said no right?

Also I have been reading for years about the prices and they never seem to go up, a lot of people are quoting the same prices for st as they did 3-4 years ago. Surely the prices should increas with inflation etc?

**Masahiko** · 03-13-2005, 01:58 AM

I agree with both Ozzie and Piggdog, if the girls agree to the price ahead of time then that is what they take home. There are not too many girls I have not tipped. I do not personally set the rates but I am not going to inflate them either. A few of the Nana and KC3 superstars ask for too much but if that is who you want to take home that night it is up to you to pay it. Hence supply and demand.

In all my years of running Patpong, Soi Cowboy, Asoke, Nana, Phuket, and Pattaya I have met very few girls that will not treat you extremely well as long as you are respectful to them. In think the katoeys treat you better than the girls.

In my opinion the most ruthless girls are the college girls. They have guys lined up sending them money. I know of a few "college" girls working in the Morning/Night beer bar on Soi Nana taking in over 100,000 baht a month just in western union or bank transfer payments. This is from guys that will show up for a week every 6 months. And I use the word ruthless loosely as I think almost everyone of those girls should try to get as much as they can before their shelf life expires.

The guys are in love, the girls are getting money. Everyone is happy until she sends you a "canned" email with the other guys name on it by accident.

Sometimes I think I go to thailand too often as I am one of those guys that hear all the stories from the girls about their boyfriends, its like a soap opera. I translate emails for them, write responses, you name it.

But I will be back next week for my 7th time so far in 2005 and I still get excited prior to leaving as there is always new talent. I will say that the talent has never been this good, lately the girls in obsessions and cascades have been the best quality I have ever seen. But now I am just rambling..sorry

**Guest** · 03-13-2005, 03:19 AM

A key phrase seemingly overlooked and forgive my paraphrasing, please: "she kept him drunk".
Maintaining sobriety couldn't hurt any of us, I suppose.
This, from Mr. Lonely, who once drank a case of beer per day (I started drinking at 14), smoked three packs of coffin nails per day (I started puffing at 15), and did whatever else I felt like doing until 1983 when I hit 30!
Clean for 22 years and don't miss any of those poisons at all.
Still, it was apparently necessary for me to endure it, I suppose.....who knows?......who cares?....If I still enjoyed it, I would still be doing it.....I simply stopped enjoying it......
Best to All,
Mr. Lonely

**Guest** · 03-13-2005, 04:03 AM

Originally posted by (Masahiko @ Mar. 12 2005,19:58)

But I will be back next week for my 7th time so far in 2005 and I still get excited prior to leaving as there is always new talent. I will say that the talent has never been this good, lately the girls in obsessions and cascades have been the best quality I have ever seen. But now I am just rambling..sorry

Mash...Holly Shit, my friend....7 trips so far this year! Your an animal ......Being respectful is the key in everyday life....Nobody wants to be treated badly...and the girls in LOS want to feel like they are special....they actually crave this kind of treatment....The more respectful you are, the better you will be rewarded....

As far as what the girls are worth, personally I've never been to LOS (going on my first trip next week)....from what I read on these post....and I read alot....it has nothing to do with caps or any other bullshit, it's what you feel is a fair price...yes, there is a going rate for st & lt, but if it means losing the girl you really want to spend time with, then that should be ignored....don't get carried away, but a little extra might get you the time of your life!

Brother Angelo, you are so right my friend. Alchol does crazy things to us...makes us lose all concepts of reality....Doesn't hurt to have a few, but know your limits....you are in a foreign country and getting piss drunk and rambling your mouth will just work against you.....Clean for 22 years my Brother! That is fucking AWSOME....My hats off to you!

Chaz

**BAM** · 03-13-2005, 04:21 AM

Originally posted by (chazguy007 @ Mar. 12 2005,22:03)

Holly Shit, my friend....7 trips so far this year! Your an animal

I was talking to a guy from Sweden who claimed it was his 25th trip to BKK in the past 4 years

**Masahiko** · 03-13-2005, 04:29 AM

I make in on an average 2 times a month, just passing thru. Stay 1-2 nights at the Marriott or Nana and move on. But I was down in Pattaya for a week last month, just for vacation.

As a first timer you found the best place to get info. This board and the old one always has good info wedged inbetween the bs

**Guest** · 03-13-2005, 04:32 AM

But as this pace....Mash will be there 28 times this year alone!!

**Masahiko** · 03-13-2005, 04:53 AM

Chaz, living out of a suitcase takes its toll...trust me. Plus I have been there so much I know longer get the hard press in places like KC3. It would be nice to walk in as an unknown...so enjoy it.

I go into a bar and the only word I hear is butterfly..ha, ha. In english and thai!

**Guest** · 03-13-2005, 04:54 AM

Your absolutely correct Mash...The guys on this board have been awsome! There is sooo much info here, you just have to find it. Spoke to one member a few times on the phone too....he's been to LOS 14 times...just a wealth of knowledge....I have like 8 or 9 pages of notes already.....just good to have the knowledge even though I probably won't need most of it..

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