Are TSs into men...

[Guest]

i WOULD LOVE TO BE IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH ONE OF YOU STUNNING TS'S. IS THIS POSSABLE? OR IS IT JUST A DREAM.

[Ladyboy_Loser!]

A relationship with one of the LB'S is of course possible and not just some dream. It is no different from any committment you might make in your life. You take your chances, you work on it, maybe it will work maybe it will go up in flames but at least you can look at yourself in the mirror one day and say honestly you gave it your best shot.

[Guest]

I realise your point but do TS'S bed hop more often then women when in a relationship?

[stogie bear]

(CHRISTOPHER @ May 06 2006,05:42) i WOULD LOVE TO BE IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH ONE OF YOU STUNNING TS'S. IS THIS POSSABLE? OR IS IT JUST A DREAM.

Why the ALL CAPS

[BAM]

(stogie bear @ May 06 2006,08:39)

(CHRISTOPHER @ May 06 2006,05:42) i WOULD LOVE TO BE IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH ONE OF YOU STUNNING TS'S. IS THIS POSSABLE? OR IS IT JUST A DREAM.

Why the ALL CAPS

He's excited

[dummy_plug]

(CHRISTOPHER @ May 06 2006,04:42) i WOULD LOVE TO BE IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH ONE OF YOU STUNNING TS'S. IS THIS POSSABLE? OR IS IT JUST A DREAM.

How much money ya got?

[olekunde]

haha ...

dear chris, its just a dream or fantasy. pay for their time and dont get carried away. it will cause you a lot of harm. enjoy ur holidays and get over it..eherm..well nobody here has, but... well .. get around, post pics in pic forum etc thats the best you can do ...

[Guest]

Your question is a common one, but cheers to you for at least asking

Having dated a Bangkok LB for 7 months last year (freelance cosmetic artist and model - never seen the inside of a Nana or Patpong bar) I can speak with some personal knowledge in this regard

Thait said, others with greater experience than I are invited to jump in here

My first response to your question would be to say that  - wthout question - your dream will always be nothing more than a dream, until you take the necessary actions to turn it into a reality

Commitments you must be prepared to make it a reality

- TIME (in country with her)

A one month holiday followed by extended distance chat / e-mail / phone calls until you return in a few months simply does not work

Like any relationship, the more time you can invest the better the return - and, with few exceptions, this means relocating to Thailand

In my case - as my work requires monthly international travel - the best I could manage was 13-15 days / month at home in Bangkok with her

After a few months of dating, I was told that - while she wished to continue in the relationship - she would like to have a 'gig' (Thai slang for casual friend, companion, or fuck-buddy) now and then while I was away

At first taken aback, after some consideration, I recognized the motivation behind her request

Put simply, she was 29, gorgeous, surrounded by beautiful boys, girls, and LBs at work, loved to have fun, and was horny all the time (all the good reasons to date her!)

Understandably, she did not wish to be someone else (as she put it, "be a monk") while I was away

To he credit, at least she raised the issue first - as opposed to simply going out and fucking around without telling me

Unless you are living in Thailand full time, you may expect a similar experience with your girl

- MONEY - Again, the return on your investment will mirror what you put in

I was lucky - my former girlfriend made (by Thai standards) good money and never made it an issue with us - often paid for the taxi, even bought dinner now and then

Unless your girl is similarly independent, you may - as you are the farang with the big baht in your wallet - expect to be expected to support her

How much, you ask? Others here with more knowledge than I may wish to reply, but I am guessing 30k-40k baht / month is probably in the middle range

After some time in the relationship, be prepared as well for the request of a loan - which may (or may not - Thais tend to be very 'flexible' in this regard) be paid back in accordance with original T & C

- PATIENCE - Please be prepared to take the stars out of your eyes, and recognize that love does not conquer all

Absent your ability to speak fluent Thai, you must understand that you are - at the end of the day - a functional illiterate unfamiliar with country, culture, religion, and attitudes / expectations

While my former girlfriend was a "top 5" univeristy graduate - and thus had good English skills which allowed us to get along nicely each day - she nevertheless lacked the vocabulary to convey nuances and shades of grey, so to speak

By comparison, my Thai abilities were almost nil

Moreover - while I have traveled (and lived) in Asia for a good portion of my life, I quickly found out that I did not know as much about contemporary Thai culture as I thought I did

Thus there - inevitably - came a time when our respective attitudes and expectations did not, shall we say, exactly meet in harmonious agreement

At these times, you must be PATIENT

Recognize that your Western attitudes and experiences have not prepared you for these times you will face in your relationship with her

At a minimum, you must refrain from personal challenge or argument with her when your views do not coincide

More preferable - if you wish to make the necessary investment to remain in the relationship - you should be open, willing, and able to assimilate the ways of your newly adopted country

Perhaps most of all, you must be HAPPY and keep the relationship SANUK ('Thai word roughly translated as 'fun' or 'pleasant')

The Thais value harmonious personal relationships greatly - even to the point of putting a smile on when they are feeling exactly the opposite

This you must learn to do as well

With the benefit of hindsight from my experience, I would go even further, and recommend that you be prepared to eschew what (in our culture) we might call a "serious conversation"

Why, you ask?

Well, in the first place, 'serious' is just the opposite of 'pleasant' and 'fun' - which is what she (like all Thais) expects from everyone (including - and especially - you)

Even if you are trying to be 'serious' in a light-hearted and pleasant way, I would venture the notion that the differences in culture, language, (possibly) age, and (most importantly) attitudes and expectations make a mis-communication very possible if not likely

Thus I recommend you weigh the potential benefits of such a conversation against the more likely downside...

...and then forget what you wanted to say, simply SMILE at her, keep it SANUK, and be HAPPY that you are living your dream in a relationship with a Thai LB

This is my no means chapter and verse - I could go on at length about the joys and challenges you may expect

Just wanted to give you a flavor of what you may expect if you wish to pursue your dream - or wish to avoid if you decide otherwise

If you do not wish to make the necessary inventments of TIME, MONEY, and PATIENCE and UNDERSTANDING in the relationship to keep it SANUK - and, quite frankly, most guys will not - there are always plenty of LBs available to you for "pay for play" fun

Again, others with more experience than I are invited to comment

Thanks to all

[jellybean]

(olekunde @ May 06 2006,10:56)  haha ...

dear chris, its just a dream or fantasy. pay for their time and dont get carried away. it will cause you a lot of harm. enjoy ur holidays and get over it..eherm..well nobody here has, but... well .. get around, post pics in pic forum etc thats the best you can do ...

what a load of bollocks!!!

[jellybean]

(thick81 @ May 06 2006,18:34) A one month holiday followed by extended distance chat / e-mail / phone calls until you return in a few months simply does not work

Whilst I understand the sentiment here Thick, a long distance relationship can work for a while....but its bloody hard work. taking time and commitment from you both. However, long term ,you're right, you have to be together.

(thick81 @ May 06 2006,18:34)
...she would like to have a 'gig' (Thai slang for casual friend, companion, or fuck-buddy) now and then while I was away

I'm curious, is this a two-way deal?

(thick81 @ May 06 2006,18:34)
Unless your girl is similarly independent, you may - as you are the farang with the big baht in your wallet - expect to be expected to support her

How much, you ask? Others here with more knowledge than I may wish to reply, but I am guessing 30k-40k baht / month is probably in the middle range

Whilst you may think this is excessive for living in Thailand, you'll probably find that at least half this is going home to her folks and family.

(thick81 @ May 06 2006,18:34)
- PATIENCE - Please be prepared to take the stars out of your eyes, and recognize that love does not conquer all

Absent your ability to speak fluent Thai, you must understand that you are - at the end of the day - a functional illiterate unfamiliar with country, culture, religion, and attitudes / expectations

While my former girlfriend was a "top 5" univeristy graduate - and thus had good English skills which allowed us to get along nicely each day - she nevertheless lacked the vocabulary to convey nuances and shades of grey, so to speak

I agree strongly with this comment, all of the arguements I've had with Kai were a result of me not being able communicate effectively with her and hence turning a innocent query into a major issue.

(thick81 @ May 06 2006,18:34)
At a minimum, you must refrain from personal challenge or argument with her when your views do not coincide

More preferable - if you wish to make the necessary investment to remain in the relationship - you should be open, willing, and able to assimilate the ways of your newly adopted country

Perhaps most of all, you must be HAPPY and keep the relationship SANUK ('Thai word roughly translated as 'fun' or 'pleasant')

The Thais value harmonious personal relationships greatly - even to the point of putting a smile on when they are feeling exactly the opposite

This you must learn to do as well

With the benefit of hindsight from my experience, I would go even further, and recommend that you be prepared to eschew what (in our culture) we might call a "serious conversation"

Yep, I'm learning this lesson the hard way, on a couple of occasion our relationship has gone to the brink, basically for nothing. So now I finding asking myself, "does it matter" before I ask any question. My most common saying now is "mai pen rai" - it doesn't matter.


All-in-all an excellent contribution Thick      

[dummy_plug]

I think its also important to highlight the difference between a bar girl and a non-working girl (i.e. a girl with a regular job). A preface to my comments - this is my personal observation and view on the matter and is not meant to attack anyone personally.

It's my belief that it takes a certain kind of person to work in a bar - it's a pretty conscious decision you make to live this kind of lifestyle and do this kind of work day in and day out. I fully understand that economic circumstances play a significant role and influence, which is probably the main and only reason, why girls/boys/ladyboys choose to work in a bar. But you have to remember that only a thin slice of society staffs places like Patpong and Nana, and that millions of other people in similar situations make do with their lives flipping burgers, shining shoes, and slinging fake CDs. Those who choose to work in the bar are subjected to a most unordinary life - filled with experiences that have the potential to destroy even the most innocent of souls. Perhaps I'm exaggerating a bit and being a little dramatic, but I guess I've seen dogs exhibit more traces of humanity than some of the bar girls I've seen/chatted with. Some of these girls in the bar have been reduced to little more than automatons that know little more than to talk, eat, fuck, and sleep. Note, I don't say all are like this, but I think most suffer from this in some degree or another. I've never been down this road before, but I would think that most bar girls are incapable of feeling the emotion we call love, at least in the Western sense. So if that's what you are looking for, then I am afraid you're going to be searching for an awful long time.

I don't have any experience with non-bar girls in Thailand so I'll be mum on that topic. But as I've said, I do believe that there is a big distinction that you (and anyone else looking for a 'relationship' in the true sense of the word) needs to recognize.

I need some more ice with my coke.

[Guest]

(thick81 @ May 07 2006,00:34) - MONEY - Again, the return on your investment will mirror what you put in

I would disagree.

There is a point of diminishing returns, and the marginal value of an additional dollar invested becomes soon begins to fall precipitously.

[kahuna]

(CHRISTOPHER @ May 06 2006,04:42) i WOULD LOVE TO BE IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH ONE OF YOU STUNNING TS'S.

Appears to me that we might be missing Christopher's question.

He asks, "Are TSs into men?"

And then states,  "I would love to be in a relationship with one of you stunning TS's."

Looks to me, but I may be wrong, that he thinks that the pic in your avatars and you are one in the same.

If I'm right...you're gonna have to give him the tough news... But maybe he'll settle for just short-time....

[Guest]

Thanks to you all for you great experiences shared, I realy envy you to be so lucky to have been there done that. I would realy love to hear it also straight from the horses mouth. I believe that with the right lb we could be happy forever if there was sincerity and devotion.

[PigDogg]

(jellybean @ May 07 2006,03:06) How much, you ask? Others here with more knowledge than I may wish to reply, but I am guessing 30k-40k baht / month is probably in the middle range

Whilst you may think this is excessive for living in Thailand, you'll probably find that at least half this is going home to her folks and family.[/quote]
I may be living in Issan nextyear earning a very meager Thai style salary. I was thinking of covering all teeraks expenses, she wouldn't have to work unless she wanted to, plus give her 3000 a month to put in a special account that hopefully she wouldn't touch and give her a saftey net in case the relationship doesn't last.

Is this completely unrealistic? i thought up north about 200 a day is a typical salary for someone without a uni degree?