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  • The force...

    Just recently I have been noticing the impact of our members on the ladyboy scene.

    Oh, it's always been around in isolated instances and somethings have been learned, forgotton and wasted through this forum, but yesterday a few things fell into place.

    Last night, mostly as a result of chance, a few of us were in town at the same time. It wasn't really planned and there were even a couple of additions that showed up unexpectedly. All in all our number approached double figures and we ate, drank and whored our way around Nana and of course The Guess Bar.

    We came from many different countries (I think 5 in all) and certainly we came from totally different backgrounds.

    Everyone gets on together and there's no macho posturing or one-up-manship. A few fellows with a common aim... to be in the best places that support our naughty habits!

    During the evening we teamed up to eat, or go to different bars promising to meet up later at various rendezvous around town and for the most part we did.

    That in itself makes for a pretty good force.

    Luckily for us The Guess Bar listens to us and moulds itself on what we want as customers and not how they are gonna rip us off. They even turn down the music when we ask them to. (This is actually a very important and significant effect of 'The Force.')

    The effect of 'The Force' also manifests itself on the way the girls behave now. There's no place to hide anymore because they know damn well that if any of them get out of line they'll be plastered all over this forum (and maybe other forums as well.)

    It's difficult to ignore us too. There maybe plenty of newbies out there, ready to rip off and spit out again, but these tourists usually roam around as loners and are hard to find. The smarter lbs out there would rather be welcomed into the fold of 'The Force' and don't want to do anything that's going to provoke us too much.

    This family of ladyboys and forum members would not have been possible up until quite recently. The internet and the larger amount of members living here and the increase in frequency of visitors has created a large and far reaching network.

    It helps that the ladyboys know that their moves are closely monitored. They know that one false move results in a blaze of bad press and we all have their photos on our cell phones, etc.

    It also helps that the barter of sexual favors and cash seems to be equitable and fair between The Force and the ladyboys. It's not too often that a forum member will be talked about for being cheap, mental or too demanding. (We'd hear about it if we were!)

    Basically The Force is comprised of plenty of intelligent, rational and well heeled NORMAL people. People of a certain age that don't get into fights, or create trouble or lose control of their feelings etc.

    Of course there are exceptions and we know who we are and what our weaknesses are. But as a whole the socialness of this forum is an increasingly powerful tool that we can use to make our visits here more pleasurable and safer.

    I'm not arrogant enough to say that we'll always get our own way or that people should bow down before us and proffer gifts when we march about town plundering this land of plenty... (although that would be nice, eh lads?)

    But in my experience, this forum and it's members have impacted the ladyboy scene in the whole of Thailand and only for the better. Maybe I'm wrong but I seriously doubt that The Guess Bar would have even come about if it hadn't been for the constant online pleading for something to compete with the shit-pits.

    I'll wager that a lot more of us would have been relieved of our valuables and been otherwise taken advantage of if the internet and this forum and it's 'whispering grass' hadn't somehow made it back to the ladyboys who work in the bars here.

    And the future looks good, too.

    I belive that The Guess Bar model will be copied throughout Thailand. It's focus on what we want and how to take care of it's punters will filter through to other bars and new clubs in the future.

    Already The Guess Bar is the talk of all the other bars. You can hear it by talking to the jealous mamasans and by looking around at the empty rows of seats. A new bar opened in Pattaya who's whole premise was to be "like The Guess Bar." Other bar owners are aware of The Guess Bar and of forums like ours. They'll be slow in making the changes and they will lose out.

    New bars will come along and the shitpits will slowly fizzle out as they suddenly realize that guys don't drink like they used to. At least not in Bangkok they don't. It used to be that ALL men drank, got drunk then got laid. Last night I don't think even half of us were drinking alcohol.

    Guess Bar is the only bar in Bangkok (ladyboy or gg) that puts nuts out on every table where there is a customer... That's very important and significant. Nuts aren't free so why do they do it?

    Anyway - the world is getting better folks and I've had my say for today!

    Stogie Bear

  • #2
    lot of food for thoght there boss just one question .Wwere is the Guess Bar again

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    • #3
      May the LB Force be with us all......

      I've been saying it for agers!

      I am sure things will alter to suit the LB punter, because the Thais are very good at creating what the falang wants in order to relieve him of money.  

      For those of you in the UK who can remember the arrival of Punternet, if you were a whorist, I am sure you can remember the up roar in the provider community, that followed. They didn't like the fact that there was a means where by the consumer could comment "publically" on there services, or lack of it, as was mostly the case at the time, for all to see. This caused the providers to buck there ideas up & actually have to start providing semi decent service instead of the mediocre excuse for it they had been doing. This was totally alien to most of them as the vast majority were western women at the time.

      The end result was a doubling of prices & some, with the attitude that, well if we have actually got to work for a living & give decent service, your dam well going to pay for it,.... but the service did improve. Unfortunately anything decent is now well in excess of £120 / hr & considerably more, the clock watching hasn't stopped tho', & the poor attitude is still there. But that has more to do with western women attitudes & there inability to do the sex thing properly in the first place.

      I used to reguarilly use prostitutes in Europe, even when i was alot younger, as I got sick & tired of grovelling for "free" very mediocre sex & having to pick up the tab on everything. I soon learnt not to bother with the western providers as there service was appaulling when compared to what you got from the Hispanics, Latinas & Asians.

      While the internet & the power of rapid information disemination has improved services, it does create short lived superstars who develop attitude problems & over pricing issues. But if it helps to mold a LB bar hierarchy that results in better service & quality for us then that can't be bad.

      May the LB Force be with you all......
      Robin

      You pays your money & takes your chance. This isn't a rehearsal do it now, it's no good looking back when it's a lover & wishing.... ITS TOO LATE.

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      • #4
        Of course there is a downside to this 'impact.' For one thing it's harder to keep secrets!

        Probably the most significant impact though, is how the internet and forums can create, change, make and/or ruin ladyboys... I'm sure that most of us can come up with at least a few examples where the prices, attitudes and experiences with ladyboys has varied as a direct result of 'exposure' on the forums.

        The 'contact' sharing is a disaster. The girls get emails and junk mail and daft phone calls from people they will never meet. But it somehow helps them to elevate their own status in the grand scheme of things.

        They feed off the publicity that we give them and turn weird when we don't bow down respectfully when we see them. Emma is probably the best example.

        Of course this isn't always true. Some of the girls have remained fantastic people despite the fame that the internet bestows on them. I can summon up a few examples of these people too but Natalie (the blond topper) is probably the one that sticks out (ooh er, vicar!) most for me.

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        • #5
          I do agree forums help us, however, I think we are a very small % of people who go to the bars, and thus would question whether this forum actually impacts anything. It is also one of 1000s of sites.

          The biggest impact this forum has, I believe, is on the readers' knowledge base, and near zero on LBs and bars.

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          • #6
            (ziggystardust @ Apr. 05 2007,10:04) The biggest impact this forum has, I believe, is on the readers' knowledge base, and near zero on LBs and bars.
            I disagree...I was with a fairly new girl from Obs last evening...and she asked me when went to my room if she could see some of her friends on ATS...her words...later she said, cupping her small hormone breasts...that she wanted big tits so she could have pics and vids and be on the internet and make lots of money...

            They are indeed aware...

            As far as the impact on bars, there were 8 of us drinking in Guess Bar last evening representing the ATS Force...I'm fairly certain we wouldn't have been there if not for this forum...

            kahuna
            "It's not Gay if you beat them up afterwards."  --- Anon

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            • #7
              (ziggystardust @ Apr. 05 2007,09:04) I do agree forums help us, however, I think we are a very small % of people who go to the bars, and thus would question whether this forum actually impacts anything. It is also one of 1000s of sites.

              The biggest impact this forum has, I believe, is on the readers' knowledge base, and near zero on LBs and bars.
              The only anecdotal evidence and its by no means a scientific study is how Jay relays information about customers in her bar. My interpretation is something like the following - considering she is not exactly keeping a list.

              Off 100% customers:

              80% found out about it from the internet
              15% found out about it from other ladyboys
              5% others (eg walked past, other bar owners etc)

              Of those 80% who found it from the internet, they are split roughly as follows:

              ATS 50%
              Other LB wesbites/forums/blogs 30%
              Other general websites 20% (eg Pattaya secrets, Pattaya Chat, Nanaplaza.com, BKK tonight etc)

              Many of the people I have spoken to read, but not post on this forum in particular - I can think of a couple of guys in particular, who are GREAT customers of the bar - spending serious amounts of money - yet they do not post, just read. They like the service, the quality of the staff, but probably most of all the discretion of the place - interesting some of them used to use Escorts when they came into BKK and never went into Nana.

              Interesting to me at least, is the large number of guys that read about it from GG websites and wanted to venture over to the 'dark' side (or should we say, enlightened side??) - again ratio is high and these guys tend to be financially secure and not scared of spending a considerable amount of money and become serious repeat customers.

              Aside from the ATS regulars, probably 70% of the regular repeat visitors are guys we never see post on this or other forums. Word of mouth visits are increasing and more Japanese guys are finding the bar - again that is primarily word of mouth (and a lot of credit for that would go to the girls from KC3 who generate a lot of that volume by bringing guys into see the bar, however as those of you who do business in Japan, are aware, it can take 12-24 months before Japanese volume becomes signifigant - they tend not to go straight to new venues).

              So in a nutshell, for Guess Bar at least, the Internet and in particular ATS has been a huge help for Jay - she probably would have been able to manage without it - however with it, its given her a real headstart and the security to continue in the style that she set out to open. i.e one of the biggest concerns when you open a new bar with a different format, is that if you dont get an immediatte volume, your tempted to try and change the very foundation you set up on. Luckily, she has not needed to do that. For the girls that work in the bar, I suspect that they must be happy as basically nobody has left that Jay did not want to leave. If you look at the core of salaried staff, they are the same as when she opened the bar over 4 months ago. Not a huge amount of time granted, but clearly a sign that the girls are happy with the environment, style and work ethics of the boss.

              One final point - they are totally aware of the internet and the power it has over their income earning ability - everyone is well aware of the consequences of actions they take that may get posted. Without a doubt, that lessens the risk of something negative happening. Probably the best example of that is the reported issue with Fern a couple of months ago. The girls are well aware of it - but equally they are well aware that 'out of context' comments should be addressed - such as putting a girl down because she refused to takes drugs with a customer (something the customer overlooked to mention in his trip report when making a negative comment).

              Cheers
              Mardhi

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              • #8
                (mardhi @ Apr. 05 2007,13:18) such as putting a girl down because she refused to takes drugs with a customer (something the customer overlooked to mention in his trip report when making a negative comment).
                That is inexcusable behaviour no matter how you cut it!

                Trying to get a LB to take drugs just because you can't have fun without false stimulants is totally unacceptable in my book.
                Robin

                You pays your money & takes your chance. This isn't a rehearsal do it now, it's no good looking back when it's a lover & wishing.... ITS TOO LATE.

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                • #9
                  Unless it was Viagra or something similar then he is partly excused I suppose
                  Can't blame him for wanting his moneys worth

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                  • #10
                    (stogie bear @ Apr. 04 2007,13:37) Last night, mostly as a result of chance, a few of us were in town at the same time. It wasn't really planned and there were even a couple of additions that showed up unexpectedly...............We came from many different countries (I think 5 in all) and certainly we came from totally different backgrounds.............Everyone gets on together and there's no macho posturing or one-up-manship. A few fellows with a common aim... to be in the best places that support our naughty habits!
                    I'm fairly new to the forum force, but now a regular in LOS and an enthusiast of everything Stogie has described.  It is great how well we all seem to get on, despite the variety of experiences & views & backgrounds - and meeting the guys behind the posts is always intriguing.   I havent a clue what impact we have as a force on Nana, but most girls know who is who.  Their memory is incredible for all sorts of details, past experiences with guys, who has been with who,  where we stay - and so is the Nana grapevine (measured in minutes usually!)

                    Sometimes we get accused of being a bit elitist (private club etc) on this forum.   From what I've seen, if a new member posts something half-sensible  ...................  alright, it's got to be totally sensible to satisfy Stogie   .................and is not too arrogant - then he gets a warm welcome from the guys here (including in person when the force is out on town).  

                    Good company  
                    TT

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                    • #11
                      (TTChang @ Apr. 05 2007,18:25)
                      (stogie bear @ Apr. 04 2007,13:37) Last night, mostly as a result of chance, a few of us were in town at the same time. It wasn't really planned and there were even a couple of additions that showed up unexpectedly...............We came from many different countries (I think 5 in all) and certainly we came from totally different backgrounds.............Everyone gets on together and there's no macho posturing or one-up-manship. A few fellows with a common aim... to be in the best places that support our naughty habits!
                      I'm fairly new to the forum force, but now a regular in LOS and an enthusiast of everything Stogie has described.  It is great how well we all seem to get on, despite the variety of experiences & views & backgrounds - and meeting the guys behind the posts is always intriguing.   I havent a clue what impact we have as a force on Nana, but most girls know who is who.  Their memory is incredible for all sorts of details, past experiences with guys, who has been with who,  where we stay - and so is the Nana grapevine (measured in minutes usually!)

                      Sometimes we get accused of being a bit elitist (private club etc) on this forum.   From what I've seen, if a new member posts something half-sensible  ...................  alright, it's got to be totally sensible to satisfy Stogie   .................and is not too arrogant - then he gets a warm welcome from the guys here (including in person when the force is out on town).  

                      Good company  
                      Quite amazing really, we come from alover the globe, we can all agree to disagree,......... without turning into suicide bombers & flag burners! A mirical!
                      Robin

                      You pays your money & takes your chance. This isn't a rehearsal do it now, it's no good looking back when it's a lover & wishing.... ITS TOO LATE.

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                      • #12
                        Hmm, over in California, where everything's discussed online and has been for some time, there are still many bad apples. I think the key difference between BKK and, say, SF is that the market in BKK has more competition of higher quality, so the information disseminated online makes it much more competitive and more of a buyer's market. In Northern California, the number of potential "punters" is probably far higher than in BKK, not least because it's got so many business visitors.

                        Of course, that's also basic economics and why you see the costs are much higher, too.

                        POL
                        Retired the top 12.  Need a new dirty dozen.  

                        Update: The new list is coming together: Nong Poy, Anita, Nok, Gif, Liisa Winkler, Kay, Nina Poon.  Is it possible to find 5 more?  Until then, GGs:  Jessica Alba, Yuko Ogura, Zhang Ziyi, Maggie Q, and Gong Li.

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                        • #13
                          (ziggystardust @ Apr. 05 2007,10:04) I do agree forums help us, however, I think we are a very small % of people who go to the bars, and thus would question whether this forum actually impacts anything. It is also one of 1000s of sites.

                          The biggest impact this forum has, I believe, is on the readers' knowledge base, and near zero on LBs and bars.
                          As usual I disagree with most of what you say up here, sorry Ziggy

                            Guess Bar would not be open this long if not for this forum and LB-69; who whould have ever found it? In 6 months with no forum exposure on these 2 sites they would have had about 10 customers and Jay would be closing the place IMO.

                           to say Ladyboy  forums have no impact on that bar is just plain wrong, as is the statement that there are 1000's of ladyboy sites; I know you were exaggerating but I follow this internet scene pretty closely and at last count there were about 20 sites max for Ladyboys [not all shemales, just Asian Ladyboys].

                            "The biggest impact this forum has, I believe, is on the readers' knowledge base, and near zero on LBs and bars."   Huh?  You yourself said that you saw a Ladyboys e-mail box and it was filled with letters; all of them were people she met just by chance in a bar  and none were from guys who found her on the internet? Hard to believe, and the hundreds of girls who have thanked me over the years for giving out their contact info and the few dozen I have made rich by Thai  standards would say the same thing.

                            I will concede that in the Nana Bars and especially in Patpong, the bars are found by way more people than who follow internet web sites; the majority probably never even heard of ATS and the others or maybe saw it only in passing;  but Guess Bar is alive and well because of this website and I am sure the management would agree with that.
                          Guilt is Gods way of telling you you're having too much fun.
                          -Dennis Miller

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                          • #14
                            Mardhi, I completely agree with you for Guess.

                            Guess is the Mother Teresa site of ATS thanks to Stogie and you. It even has it's own forum topic. You can't get much more blatant marketing than that. I almost feel it's pushed on us.

                            However, as I walk to Obsessions several times a week, there is rarely a night I recognize even one person, including 3 times this week so far; ditto for Cascades except the odd time on a Saturday, and pretty much never in Temptations, Lollipop and Cassanova.

                            I am neither putting down ATS nor Guess. Let's just not get this forum elevated to something it is not, and it is not something that determines the lives of LBs nor the success of bars, except Guess, which no one would know due to its location, without the internet. The Nana, Patpong, and Singapore bars survive due to location, not do to this forum, likewise, the girls make money because they are hot, not due to this forum.

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                            • #15
                              You can't get much more blatant marketing than that. I almost feel it's pushed on us.
                              He he... The reason that Guess Bar has it's own forum was to do just the opposite of "pushing" the site on the readers. It was getting so bad that almost every forum and thread had a reference to The Guess Bar and it was frankly getting to be a distraction.

                              This way - by having a foirum for The Guess Bar - people can pop in and read about if they like rather than be bombarded with it in every forum...

                              If any other bar or aspect of ladyboy life can generate similar enthusiasm then it too will get it's own playground!

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