Buyer's Remorse

[Easyguy]

This is probably a sticky subject with some on this forum. But, I am just curious to know what some guys do when confronted by a psychological factor in life.

Let's face it, having sex with a LB (a male who believes they are a female) is not within the normal structure of nature. Most guys are drawn only to the opposite sex. It has to do with nature. Sex and romance between a man and a woman is probably the most powerful emotion on the earth. It's both physical and psychological. I truly believe that after a guy has sex with a female it is the romantic feeling he has for her that keeps them together. When the sex act is completed our brain does not process feelings the same as it did prior to the sex act. If a guy loves a girl sexually as much as romantically then they have the most wonderful experience together. That is why many guys, after the sex act is over, want to get as far away from the girl as possible. There was never any romance to begin with.

Fast forward to a similar scenario. A straight guy, which most of us are, takes a LB home for the night. He has sex with her. Since probably he does not have romantic feelings for her he wants to get away right after. Another emotion enters the picture. Guilt. Guilt is when you feel shame for what you did. Guilt for acknowledging that you just had sex with a boy who wants to be a female. These are facts and not just my opinion. Now, there may be some who have overcome their natural emotions and are able to have sex with a LB and it doesn't affect them one way or another. But, for most of us, we cannot deny who we are and who they are.

As such, if you can answer honestly without finding fault for these questions even being asked, I would appreciate it:

* have any of you ever had sex with a LB where you felt guilt or even disgust after the act and wanted to get away as quickly as possible?

* have any of you ever had sex with a LB where you felt no guilt nor disgust because your romantic feelings for her did not allow you to feel this way?

With myself, as I am a born romantic, I have never had sex with either a GG or a LB (Tgirl) where I did not feel romantically toward her and thus no guilt or disgust. I am the type of person who links sex with romance and cannot just have sex with someone so that I can get off and that's it. However, there are many types of personal preferences out there and I would never find fault with anyone's prerogatives or desires. I respect all means of thinking on this subject.

[The-Sith]

* have any of you ever had sex with a LB where you felt guilt or even disgust after the act and wanted to get away as quickly as possible?

* have any of you ever had sex with a LB where you felt no guilt nor disgust because your romantic feelings for her did not allow you to feel this way?

On the first question, definitely yes. Felt guilt. Felt disgust. Especially at the beginning of my entry into the scene and even from participating in online porn masturbation.

I've been with a lot of GGs and can separate the romance and sex...and the only way you can hit big numbers with non P4P GGs (I'm probably around 300 to 400 non P4P) is to want to get away from the girl right after you blow your load. So same with LBs. After I shoot.....it's time for me, or them, to leave..... and I'm onto the next conquest.

But the LBs also, for me anyway, had an element of guilt attached that i didnt have with GGs except for when i was a teen. Primarily because of social acceptance and my own self acceptance. Until I would say recently where I just accept my attraction and decided to go with it. I would say in both the cases of GGs and guilt in my teens and LBs and guilt in my 20s and 30s, it came down a lot to my own personal maturity.

On the second question, yes, but rarely have felt real romance for an LB. Probably 3 or 4 LBs out of dozens.

I think more than just romance, there are other aspects to a relationship between couples that formulate the bond, such as spiritual connection, friendship, and also the partnership with children. With many Male Female long term relationships, Children help form the glue.....and as you get older, physical attraction wanes and although romance may still play a major role, spiritual aspects and the joint venture with the kids are important. With LBS, having children is pretty much not relevant so you need to check to box on the other factors to keep a relationship going.

I personally am into LBS for a good time.

Fucking and Fun, and if I can do something to make their lives better, it makes me happy. Like help them out personally, or money, or support them in some other way. Because they have given me so many great times in my life.

[Easyguy]

On the first question, definitely yes. Felt guilt. Felt disgust. Especially at the beginning of my entry into the scene and even from participating in online porn masturbation.

I've been with a lot of GGs and can separate the romance and sex...and the only way you can hit big numbers with non P4P GGs (I'm probably around 300 to 400 non P4P) is to want to get away from the girl right after you blow your load. So same with LBs. After I shoot.....it's time for me, or them, to leave..... and I'm onto the next conquest.

But the LBs also, for me anyway, had an element of guilt attached that i didnt have with GGs except for when i was a teen. Primarily because of social acceptance and my own self acceptance. Until I would say recently where I just accept my attraction and decided to go with it. I would say in both the cases of GGs and guilt in my teens and LBs and guilt in my 20s and 30s, it came down a lot to my own personal maturity.

On the second question, yes, but rarely have felt real romance for an LB. Probably 3 or 4 LBs out of dozens.

I think more than just romance, there are other aspects to a relationship between couples that formulate the bond, such as spiritual connection, friendship, and also the partnership with children. With many Male Female long term relationships, Children help form the glue.....and as you get older, physical attraction wanes and although romance may still play a major role, spiritual aspects and the joint venture with the kids are important. With LBS, having children is pretty much not relevant so you need to check to box on the other factors to keep a relationship going.

I personally am into LBS for a good time.

Fucking and Fun, and if I can do something to make their lives better, it makes me happy. Like help them out personally, or money, or support them in some other way. Because they have given me so many great times in my life.

I appreciate the feedback. Tell me, do you kiss LB's like you would a GG? My thoughts are that deep kissing, unlike most of the other sexual acts, is a romantic act. I think it would be difficult to kiss someone that you did not have some romantic feelings for. I am also wondering how many guys actually kiss LB's (mouth to mouth) that they have sex with.

[rxpharm]

Easyguy, you are projecting western culture again. Thai culture does not promote deep kissing as romantic or loving. This only came about due to the influence of western culture - and is is viewed by Thais more as "sanook" or pleasure than an expression of "love". The "sniff" kiss is what is considered romantic in Thailand, for those who hold on to traditional Thai values.

With regard to "buyer's remorse", since I am an outlier and prefer postops, I haven't had that feeling with them. I have had encounters with a few preops - and once I did have feelings of regret and that came about in my early days. Many years ago there was a SImon Cabaret in Pattaya, on Walking Street located where the Simon Beer Bar complex is. I was attracted to one of the showgirls, and asked her if she was available for p4p. She agreed. However, in the hotel room, I discovered that her curves were padding, and while she had a lovely face, I decided not to go further. I paid her for her time, but not the full amount we agreed on.

When I was single, I always asked the lb I was interested in if she would do deep kissing as I enjoy it and most agreed - but I know they did not have any romantic feelings, and I didn't either. My current gf will deep kiss, but she doesn't really like it, and prefers the "sniff" kiss,

[Easyguy]

Easyguy, you are projecting western culture again. Thai culture does not promote deep kissing as romantic or loving. This only came about due to the influence of western culture - and is is viewed by Thais more as "sanook" or pleasure than an expression of "love". The "sniff" kiss is what is considered romantic in Thailand, for those who hold on to traditional Thai values.

With regard to "buyer's remorse", since I am an outlier and prefer postops, I haven't had that feeling with them. I have had encounters with a few preops - and once I did have feelings of regret and that came about in my early days. Many years ago there was a SImon Cabaret in Pattaya, on Walking Street located where the Simon Beer Bar complex is. I was attracted to one of the showgirls, and asked her if she was available for p4p. She agreed. However, in the hotel room, I discovered that her curves were padding, and while she had a lovely face, I decided not to go further. I paid her for her time, but not the full amount we agreed on.

When I was single, I always asked the lb I was interested in if she would do deep kissing as I enjoy it and most agreed - but I know they did not have any romantic feelings, and I didn't either. My current gf will deep kiss, but she doesn't really like it, and prefers the "sniff" kiss,

Very interesting information. I did not realize that a Thai kiss was "sanook". I had heard about the "sniff" kiss before However, I would think that many westerners kiss Thai GG's and LB's romantically even though they do not reciprocate. I believe the emotion that one gets from kissing someone of the opposite sex is totally different from the emotion one gets from the sex act itself. And, I think that is why many P4P providers won't kiss their Johns and also why many Johns won't kiss P4P providers. In their minds it is getting too involved.

[The-Sith]

Easyguy,

You are totally correct. Initially, I didn't like kissing LBS, mouth to mouth. Only recently did I get into it. And it's limited to kissing amateurs mostly....although I have deep kissed P4P LBS on occassion. I now am into deep tongue kissing in a romantic way with LBs

but I do notice that my feelings are similar to my GG exploit days of getting bored of the individual LB very fast after the first or second fuck.

With LBs, i can now start to feel romance. But mostly for me, it's sex. It's fun. It's adventure.

[The-Sith]

The "sniff" kiss is what is considered romantic in Thailand, for those who hold on to traditional Thai values.

Hey Rxpharm,

I love those 'sniff' kisses. I remember one P4P GG in Pattaya I spent a week with about 20 years ago introducing me to those pleasures....and I have had that in my repertoire since then. I find White women and other women who have never experienced it before find it sensual, just as I do.

what is this type of kiss called in Thai?

[rxpharm]

The pronunciation is "haawm kaem" haawn meaning pleasant smell, I am not sure what the written Thai is for this.

[Rockheart]

My first ladyboy GF from isaan really liked to sniff me. She also liked the deep kissing but probably picked that up in Pattaya.
Bangkok ladyboys generally don't seem to be into the sniffing and more recent GFs have asked me what the hell I am doing.

As for the first question I haven't felt shame from being with ladyboys.
I have been disappointed, bored or not attracted and just want to have them go as soon as possible.

If I am expecting a pre-op and got a postie, I have not been impressed and turned off.
Of course being tricked in any way is a complete turn off, but no shame involved.

Still it is always up to the chemistry with the individual be it lady or ladyboy.