What a load of shite...

[Looker]

(allstar88 @ Jan. 12 2008,16:54) britains going back to nuclear to tackle the problem?

That should be the solution for the whole planet..look at Sweden how advanced they are!!

[Tomcat]

Bjorn Lomborg is hated by most Enviromentalists and is the author of the ,,sceptic enviromentalist,,. And he is the guy that the Doc makers love to quote when trying to disprove global warming....

Perhaps they should read his new book ,,Cool it,,
Also a few weeks ago he published a two page essay in which he was asked " are you denying climate change"

His answer was " no , it is definately a problem and the damage will be substantial to the sum of around 15 trillion dollars" although he said the amount wasnt a big deal. His new thesis is that we should spend more on low carb tech like solar panels and other projects instead of trying to reduce consumption... purely because the Chinese and everyone else arnt going to play ball and will keep building coal plants

He proposes a carbon tax and states once again that it is a 50 - 100 year problem. he also agrees with the sea level projections but thinks that we will get around it as society will be a lot different then.

[Monkey]

Nobody can refute 'climate change'

It's part of the Earth's life cycle, it warms up and it cools down, there's not much we can do about it.

Maybe we have nudged it along and maybe we haven't but we can't stop it and we shouldn't.

Imagine if enviromentalists were running around during the last ice-age and they managed to keep things as they were then...

brrrrrr.....

[stogie bear]

Good post, Monkey. I'm of the same mind. I'm annoyed that I am gonna have to buy these new fangled light bulbs which won't work on dimmer switches. Reducing power usage isn't the answer. Creating more is, and there are many ways to do this.

In 30 years the Greenies will be looked back on as the hippies of their era. It's kinda cute but a worthless endeavour.

[Fred_Nguyen]

(Tomcat @ Jan. 12 2008,21:34) Bjorn Lomborg is hated by most Enviromentalists and is the author of the ,,sceptic enviromentalist,,. And he is the guy that the Doc makers love to quote when trying to disprove global warming....

Perhaps they should read his new book ,,Cool it,,
Also a few weeks ago he published a two page essay in which he was asked " are you denying climate change"

His answer was " no , it is definately a problem and the damage will be substantial to the sum of around 15 trillion dollars" although he said the amount wasnt a big deal. His new thesis is that we should spend more on low carb tech like solar panels and other projects instead of trying to reduce consumption... purely because the Chinese and everyone else arnt going to play ball and will keep building coal plants

He proposes a carbon tax and states once again that it is a 50 - 100 year problem. he also agrees with the sea level projections but thinks that we will get around it as society will be a lot different then.

Once again it seems that name calling and wanker signs are invoked ... what the fuck is that all about? .

So the climate may be warming... it has been much warmer in the past, when human activity was almost completely nil.

Why should we as humans so masochistically and narcissistically dismiss the effect of the sun now?

[Looker]

(Fred_Nguyen @ Jan. 12 2008,22:12) ... it has been much warmer in the past, when human activity was almost completely nil.

Don't forget the farting of the dinosaurs..lots of methane there

[Tomcat]

The Solar effect
That is a good point Fred. The Chinese and others have been using this issue for some time and indeed it is mentioned in the IPCC as a valid point. I dont think many put much credence on these theories but no one is ever going to agree 100%

A year has passed since the IPCC report was published but the work doesnt stop and there are groups working on the Solar effect just as there are 50,000 Scientist at the poles during Polar Year trying to fathom out that issue

The main issue is that Science can only give a range of possibilities, some with greater weight than others.
The Science is not done as you keep mocking but goes on ...thats how its always worked.

What other system is there for aquiring knowledge , please tell me

[Fred_Nguyen]

(Tomcat @ Jan. 12 2008,22:33) The main issue is that Science can only give a range of possibilities, some with greater weight than others.
The Science is not done as you keep mocking but goes on ...thats how its always worked.

What other system is there for aquiring knowledge , please tell me

To acquire the knowledge and do the science, that's a noble endeavour...

To claim you know THE cause of global warming and it is the United States, to say "the science is settled", to say something is "unequivocal" is not science!

But it is the rhetoric of the climate change maniacs. Such maniacs have done much to harm their movement by passing unproven assertions off as fact and demanding credulity.

They have hobgoblinized climate science into an eco-religion and a subject of partisan politics. The doom-mongers have done environmentalism a terrible disservice.

[Tomcat]

(katoeylover @ Jan. 12 2008,11:01) If there is any sort of freak weather, the scientists say this is what we are predicting.

Not true,

Its the spin that the some media and the tabloid press put on it that is alarmist. You been watching the BBC to much...
As most serious reports state , the problems wont start for at least 20 years , probably, and parts of the planet may well become colder( the Gulf Stream effect) even though the average world temp will rise causing more problems...

This is the first industrial revolution, the planet has not had to contend with this before...

[Fred_Nguyen]

(Tomcat @ Jan. 12 2008,23:43)

(katoeylover @ Jan. 12 2008,11:01) If there is any sort of freak weather, the scientists say this is what we are predicting.

Not true,

Its the spin that the some media and the tabloid press put on it that is alarmist. You been watching the BBC to much...
As most serious reports state , the problems wont start for at least 20 years , probably, and parts of the planet may well become colder( the Gulf Stream effect) even though the average world temp will rise causing more problems...

This is the first industrial revolution, the planet has not had to contend with this before...

The problem is who should be called a scientist.

There are plenty of characters in this production who label themselves "scientist" or "expert" but who are actually pushing a political manifesto.

So you are both correct, depending on which "expert" one chooses to accept.

[Tomcat]

(Fred_Nguyen @ Jan. 12 2008,23:34) But it is the rhetoric of the climate change maniacs.

yeh , the maniacs that have told the Govt in Sumatra that the proposed levelling of the peat bog forest will throw 150 giggatonnes of CO2 into the sky. Thats more than Humans have put out in the last 4 years...

To make way for Biofuel farms... madness...

The head of technology in Sumutra was some gonk who thought open Peat bogs absorbed Co2..
They dont , they dry up and release the CO2 back

[Fred_Nguyen]

(Tomcat @ Jan. 12 2008,23:53)

(Fred_Nguyen @ Jan. 12 2008,23:34) But it is the rhetoric of the climate change maniacs.

yeh , the maniacs that have told the Govt in Sumatra that the proposed levelling of the peat bog forest will throw 150 giggatonnes of CO2 into the sky. Thats more than Humans have put out in the last 4 years...

To make way for Biofuel farms... madness...

The head of technology in Sumutra was some gonk who thought open Peat bogs absorbed Co2..

Of course, if you believe Al Gore's errant gospel about CO2, you'll find the bogeyman up a Mini's tailpipe.

[Tomcat]

Intermission

Ice cream and popcorn is availble at the ATS foyer.

[stogie bear]

(Tomcat @ Jan. 12 2008,22:58) Ice cream and popcorn is availble at the ATS foyer.

Is it organic?

[katoeylover]

(Tomcat @ Jan. 12 2008,15:33) there are 50,000 Scientist at the poles during Polar Year

That many at the Poles will cause loads of ice to melt...