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  • #46
    TC, I'm still surprised at a scientific reader like you...

    It took me all of 60 seconds to find this study result, which basically says that we are NOT born prejudiced, but rather, it is largely spread by prejudice people to their children, and then re-inforced by other prejudiced people in society.

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    As to the root cause of prejudice and discrimination there appears to be no clear acceptance of any theory of causation. Scholars do agree, however, that prejudice and discrimination are not universals as something humans are inherently born with. There is ample evidence that prejudice and discrimination are social constructions. If indeed prejudice and discrimination are inherent in the human condition, we would not be able to account for intermarriage and assimilation among highly differentiated human groups. There is, moreover, considerable evidence that prejudice is absent in young children (e.g. Allport, 1954).

    Although there is no wide agreement as to the "cause" of prejudice and discrimination, there is a consensus that they constitute a learned behavior. The internalization of prejudice starts with parents and, later, teachers--the groups primary in the formation of attitudes within children. The media and social institutions solidify prejudicial attitudes, giving them social legitimacy. In a sense, it is incorrect to speak of "eradicating" prejudice, since prejudice is learned. (In a similar vein, one cannot eradicate evil except by ensuring the presence of goodness.) At best, one can reduce prejudice and discrimination. Society looks most often to education and legislation to alleviate prejudice and discrimination--for reasons still not clearly known, intergroup contact alone is not enough to reduce prejudice (Klineberg, 1968: 441). On one hand, multicultural education, whether direct or indirect, constitute the mainstay of educational efforts to eliminate prejudice. On the other hand, the emphasis on civil rights, enlightened immigration policies, and mandates for quota hiring are the cornerstone of legal approaches to alleviating the effects of prejudice and discrimination. The most overlooked area in resolving the problems of prejudice and discrimination lies in the web of close relationships where genuine feelings of love can be fostered and strengthened (Robert Henderson, American Bahá'í, Nov. 1993 [check].) The private sphere may indeed be the last frontier where a solution to the problems of prejudice may have to be found.

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    • #47
      The essay i referd to now has also been published in New Scientist ( March ) and seems a reasonable argument to me. One of the studies was done on three year olds who would have no chance of learning prejudice in society but showed racial prejudice even at that age....how do you explain that?

      The editors also in the editorial leave us in no doubt that prejudice in their view is innate.

      Yes there have been thousands of studies done , no doubt about that, but this article joins up the dots and puts a good case IMO. prejudice is probably just as innate as aversion to incest.  If you had posted earlier i would have printed a copy off and dropped it in Guess Bar tomorrow.

      Im sorry we dont all agree but it would be a boring old place if we did.


      TC

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      • #48
        No one taught me to be prejudiced against people not like me at a young age... I learned it from the people I am now prejudiced against at a much older age.

        For example... we never had Arabs and Muslims at school and I didn't give them a second though for 40 years, but my experiences have now taught me to distrust these weirdos and walk on the other side of the street when they get near.

        I wish they'd fuck off back to mumbo jumbo land and leave us normal folks alone then I wouldn't be so prejudiced against the slimey fucks.

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        • #49
          Back to the thread...

          Long live Thailand and their continued struggle against the minorities and freaks that infest their pure land.

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          • #50
            Long live Thailand and their continued struggle against the minorities and freaks that infest their pure land.

            Errrrr, isn't that us?
            Mister Arse

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            • #51
              Is this called shooting oneself in the foot?

              Wouldn't suggesting Thailand remove minorities and freaks include pornographic photographers and web-site masters who don't pay tax and have been here illegally for 10 years and espouse publicly racial hatred?

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              • #52
                (ziggystardust @ Mar. 30 2007,10:31) I don't even know how to respond to such comments. All I can say is best of luck to you, and please don't raise children.
                As if YOU have any room to talk.

                I would say that you do not, at least after reading the (apparently deleted) tell your daughter thread, where you described your daughters reaction after taunting her about a gay beach...

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                • #53
                  Yes... sorry about that thread being removed. It was NOT me and came from orders on high!

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                  • #54
                    Regrettably, I only lived with my daughter for 4 years years. She was 7 when I met my wife. She grew up in the very Catholic Philippines, and then Canada later on when I went abroad (my wife and I were separated at that point).

                    I suppose parents can add a lot of value in creating a non-discriminatory environment at home, however, society plays probably the more dominant role in the teen years. Maybe if I'd lived with her longer, she wouldn't have made that comment. I was disappointed to hear it, certainly. However, I don't believe the comment had much depth to it and certainly wasn't something she would have heard at home, ever.

                    Anyhow, I think this particular thread is way dead now.

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                    • #55
                      Am I in the twilight zone now? WTF...
                      OK, when SB said how he think discrimination is human nature, that's his personal opinion, which does not weaken our foundation to say you are wrong Ziggy. I believe what you advocate or actually consulted a lawyers to do was somehow trying to alter the laws in Thailand (or go against the bar legally somehow) - and that's crossed the line. Because based on that logic, SB and all of us opposed to your ideas (although I do agree we should not discriminate anyone on a moral ground) deserved to be put in jails. Is that what you want? Please answer this this question. If no, then why do you want Q-bar to get prosecuted? Because it's a business? so running a business is a crime now, and one must be held accountable legally for "immoral" behaviors if he is running a business?
                      Please go ahead to hold a private campaign against Q-bar but don't be a cry baby asking the government to protect your own interest.
                      One point about black people - all these stubid politically correct legal crap seemingly protecting them are exactly the reasons they are still in the muddy situation. One would wonder how all the "illegal" immigrants from Mexico are taking black people's jobs now ... I guess you want LB and us LB lovers also become a group that can't survive on our own without government protections?

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