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(pacman @ Aug. 17 2008,17:10) 
* * Hi Ben, that LBC would post with such an avatar does make it self evident that he is the same guy you ask about. LadyboyCrush is not such a large organisation that they have an office full of employees.
I have had the pleasure to meet our correspondent from LBC & it may please you & harris11 to know that I found him a most pleasant & likeable chap.
I certainly am not an apologist for the alleged behaviour he has been accused of & I find that news to be disturbing.
However, we share a small community & I would encourage all parties to this debate to leave the accusations & bravado for now, let a little commonsense prevail, & perhaps a few stated positions might be reconsidered.
No-one much cares who gets their lights smacked out, Ben highlights the real problem we have here.
Who of us plans to be around to pick up the pieces when these girl's lives are wrecked by using this shit?
Just another junkie, we might say, but for harris11, Fern has been lost to him by a vicious combination of her exploitation & the means by which she coped.
Without doubt, one of the best threads ever posted on this forum, lots of raw emotion that has bought home its relevance.
Required reading. Thanks guys.
* * Hi Ben, that LBC would post with such an avatar does make it self evident that he is the same guy you ask about. LadyboyCrush is not such a large organisation that they have an office full of employees.I have had the pleasure to meet our correspondent from LBC & it may please you & harris11 to know that I found him a most pleasant & likeable chap.
I certainly am not an apologist for the alleged behaviour he has been accused of & I find that news to be disturbing.
However, we share a small community & I would encourage all parties to this debate to leave the accusations & bravado for now, let a little commonsense prevail, & perhaps a few stated positions might be reconsidered.
No-one much cares who gets their lights smacked out, Ben highlights the real problem we have here.
Who of us plans to be around to pick up the pieces when these girl's lives are wrecked by using this shit?
Just another junkie, we might say, but for harris11, Fern has been lost to him by a vicious combination of her exploitation & the means by which she coped.
Without doubt, one of the best threads ever posted on this forum, lots of raw emotion that has bought home its relevance.
Required reading. Thanks guys.
A very good post. Combining everything in a nice summary.Listing pro and contra's and giving some additional information. Yes I agree with you it is a small community. I have never met the persons you are referring to. I'm convinced that both persons are nice but got carried away. Again no hard feelings. By no means I love to insult people, no way. Only I liked to stress the negative sides of yabba/ice to the forum and what can happen with yourself or people you care for.
Here we see another example of a poor lb on this drug.
Sorry for Mr Harris that he lost his friend Fern from the guess bar. I personally don't know this lb because I only visited this bar one time very short. So I cannot give my point of view, Window shopping then in Bangkok .That time in may I was my new friend from isaan in Bangkok and you know how jealous some lb's can be. For them a combination of fear (losing the sponsor) and envy. On the other hand I made similar experiences like mr harris in Pattaya before. I fully understand how Mr Harris feels now like me then. First angry or disappointed but later I'm shure he picks it up again. Bad that one friend was involved, but on the other hand the lb could have said no.
Read stogies comment about the way the thai lb's in the p4p scene look at us. They play a role ( you want the happy one you get that one , you want the jealous one you get that one etc) and many work in the scene for the money. Hard but true. The earlier you learn that the better you can cope with a situation like that. My ex out of Pattaya had 14 thai boyfriends . I knew about that, only the yabba/ice made her uncontrolable. That is when she got the exit from me. Stealing from me and other friends etc. By then she could not work anymore and sold everything she had for yabba/ice.
Her end: picked up by the police for being a yabba gang member and after the police throw her on the street : her hair cut. Living on beach road and getting a little money from ex friends near the JS bar in pattaya. Dreaming of becoming a thai superstar but in fact now a living wreck. Do I hate her ? no I feel sorry because I fully understand what and how it happened. Sad but true only everyone should know you cannot help them and you have to carry on. Grudging or blaming yourself is no solution. What started this downfall like so many before: yabba/ice. So I would never encourage another person to take that drug or any other.
The difference in thailand compared to europe is that in europe you pick them out fast , but in thailand it took me more time to realize what was happening. Now I 'm fast in picking them out and I agree with Mrlbcrush that many are on it. Even some sweet ones you would not expect it from.
A few signals I learned:
- small spots around the nose ( like acne , but smaller)
- heavy make up to disguise the red flashing cheeks
- eyes like a zombie when they are on your hotel room
- in a relationship suddenly many buffalo stories for money ( and not one or two every month)
- bs about taking hormones and feeling sleepy, tired
- heavy weight loss in a short time
- nagging about headaches or being tired all the time
I know there a many more signals but then I think we need a new post. So for me matter closed and again Mr Pacman a very good view
) in my Pub I was meeting that night but it had the "Opposite" effect and I became paronoid 
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